Many people have asked why, given how DashCon turned out, Cain and I would try to run another convention. Specifically, why are we running Emoti-Con Indy as So Attacked Entertainment LLC? Even more specifically, why are we hosting it in the same location and on the same dates that DashCon 2015 was meant to take place? Well, there’s a reason for all of that, and none of it involves a scam. Before you decide to write-off that statement, please read this post all the way to the end.
Before I go further, this is a personal post on my personal blog. I’m not writing this as So Attacked Entertainment LLC or DashCon LLP. I’m writing a personal post as someone who co-owns both of those companies. None of the views expressed here are meant to represent the views of either company nor any of my co-owners or volunteer staff.
That said, here goes!
DashCon has been silent at the request of the legal counsel on both sides of the table. Until otherwise notified, DashCon will remain silent. That isn’t up to me or Cain, nor would we choose to be silent if it was up to us.
Emoti-Con Indy isn’t talking about DashCon issues, because they are legally unaffiliated and must remain so. The staff isn’t allowed to speak to DashCon issues, which also comes directly from our legal counsel. Asking Emoti-Con Indy questions about DashCon will never produce a useful answer.
Now on to the real questions:
- Where’s the money that DashCon owes?
- Why are we running Emoti-Con Indy when DashCon is still in debt?
- Why are we using such a big venue/DashCon 2015 dates?
Where’s the money?
DashCon, perhaps unbeknownst to most, has not yet been legally dissolved. We are still trying to close out final business and liquidate assets. In fact, Cain and I have been trying to push the liquidation through for several weeks. Unfortunately, that process isn’t entirely in our hands. We are trying to speed it along, though. If I could be more specific, I would.
Why are we running Emoti-Con Indy despite DashCon debt?
DashCon ended some $15,000 in debt, with contracts already signed and secured for 2015. When DashCon’s assets are finally liquidated, those $15,000 worth of creditors will be paid pro rata. Unsurprisingly, assets have a finite value. Let’s say, for instance, that the liquidation results in $10,000. I’m not saying that’s an accurate estimate. This is just an example.
Right, so… $10,000 is 67% of $15,000, which means every creditor would receive 67% of the funds due to them. For reference, a $220 debt would get $147.40.
If those 2015 contracts (for the planned dates/venue) were completely canceled, DashCon would have gone roughly $120,000 further in debt. So… $135,000. In debt.
Unfortunately, the value of DashCon’s assets will never rise just because the company’s debt rises. If we get that same proverbial $10,000 (or whatever it actually turns out to be) when we owe $135,000, that drops our funds to debt ratio down to 7.4%. Which means each of our creditors would only receive 7.4% of what’s owed to them. So, that $220 debt would be paid out at $16.28 rather than $147.40. Not awesome, right?
Cain and I formed a new, unaffiliated company and took over that contractual risk so as to avoid passing it on to our creditors, which includes a number of volunteers and panelists.
Why are we using the planned dates/venue of DashCon 2015?
When we absorbed that risk, we also absorbed the dates and location that went with it. The venue is large, but we are reserving a fairly small portion of the larger venue. The hotels aren’t hosting the event like the Renaissance did for DashCon. We aren’t paying those hotels. We simply contracted room blocks, which only cost us if they aren’t used. Not to mention, the Indiana Convention Center isn’t a particularly high cost venue, even if we didn’t specifically choose it for this event.
Emoti-Con Indy isn’t some kind of scam— get-rich-quick or otherwise. Cain and I aren’t doing it for personal gain. We’re trying to do right by DashCon’s creditors, whilst also hosting a superior event after learning from our DashCon experiences. We’re attempting to move on from the DashCon debacle and make better decisions. We didn’t run or hide like we could have. We stepped forward and took on risk that we didn’t have to, because it was the right thing to do. Maybe not the easiest, but the most ethical.
So, before you say that supporting Emoti-Con Indy is a bad decision. Before you call it a scam. Before you insist it’s DashCon 2 or a simple re-branding, please consider what I’ve said and decide for yourself which scenario is more logical. Decide if what we’re doing seems like the easy option. Decide if you’d rather believe we’re liars and thieves than the two people who bothered to step up and try to fix this mess… just like we were trying to fix it when we got involved in the first place.
- What ASSETS? The only assets that Dashcon has are already liquid cash. I can’t imagine any of Dashcon’s “assets” being liquidated to pay back the debt. What does dashcon have that can be liquidated? They don’t own their convention grounds and you can’t liquidate something that has nothing.
- On top of the $15,000 debt, you formed an LLC that costs MONEY to do so? If all the correct paperwork was filed it could be over 1000$, the filing fee itself in Illinois is $500.
- Bankruptcies can only get you out of contract for so long
- Creditors are the people you owe money to, does that include attendees?
- http://businessprofiles.com/details/so-attacked-entertainment-llc/IN-2014072300349 So attacked entertainment llc (though I don’t see how this company deserves to be regarded as an entertainment company) is only signed by Cain. It was formed in July right after Dashcon failed so horribly.
- It IS a rebranding. Lawyers and shit trying to keep you quiet? Naw.
- "Decide if you’d rather believe we’re liars and thieves than the two people who bothered to step up…" BOTHERED TO STEP UP? "BOTHERED" to step up? Like this whole thing is a BOTHER when it should be YOUR responsibility to repay the money that you owe? Are you kidding me right now?
Of course people have the right to be angry or wary and call the whole dashcon debacle a scam. They lost out on money and there’s so much stress over it. OMFG
here’s a message i got from someone being stalked by Emoti-con staff. this is a fucking doozy. tw: panic attacks, stalking
Over the last 48 hours Jeremy has been on my blog over 40 times. Probably close to 50. Last night I started getting freaked out by it, because he was literally just refreshing my page and looking through my pages.
This morning I brought it up to my mom, who started worrying for me. She was actually legit scared. She said I should contact his school and contact tumblr, but I said that when I got back from my field trip I’d contact Emoti-Con, so I did.
This entire day my mom has been messaging me, because she’s actually legit worried for me because it’s freaky. He’s like at least 1-2 years older than me, and in college and my mom was just worried. So was my best friend. My mom told my dad who legit almost called the cops.
So, here’s what I got back from Emoti-Con/Nik. I didn’t read it fully. I just skimmed it, but basically what it says is that because Jeremy has the most patience with me it’s okay for him to stalk me. Because I said mean things to poor Megg and Cain, it’s okay for him to stalk me. Because I was tired and worried and scared and literally having a panic attack and accidentally posted Jeremy’s IP (but deleted it within 5 minutes) it’s okay that he stalked my tumblr. Because I’m a thorn in their side and waging a one sided war (lmao) it’s okay that he stalked me.
I’ve actually had several panic attacks from this today, like… Not kidding. It almost ruined a fantastic field trip I had today, and sent me into a panic attack on the bus home. I had a panic attack this morning, a panic attack before the field trip, a panic attack on the way home and two panic attacks afterward. But it’s okay, because Nik says so.
I’m just…. I hate these people…
"This post is coming to you only once, and it will also be posted on my blog so it is public access. I’m going to say right now that this is exactly why Jeremy is on PR — he’s much more patient than I’m about to be with you.
First of all, I’m going to direct you to this post of his, which addresses your accusations and malicious behavior. Let me quote a section of it for you:
I go to your blogs so that I can read through and try and see what all people are saying about us! How is Emoti-Con Indy supposed to succeed if it can’t try and fix what people see to be the problem? I go to these blogs and often leave them open for hours because I open certain posts that I can reply to later!
Not surprising to most users, it’s really common for anyone to keep open tabs they aren’t familiar with, and Jeremy has largely given you the benefit of the doubt and taken your “concerns” seriously, regularly checking up to see what new thing you’re worried about and deciding how to respond.
He has been remarkably patient with you, we all have, and you, in the mean time are posting his private information, mocking him and other staff, and now, you are playing the victim only days after acting so victorious at having “caught” us on your blog.
You posted private information. You harassed us both here and on Facebook. You have told other tumblr users with great joy that you harassed us, you’ve posted screencaps of your deleted comments and effectively said you would simply leave more.
Clearly, you’re not all that concerned with asking us “questions” because as soon as it became clear to you that we would not respond to your malicious commentary on Facebook, you stopped. Yes, you must be so dedicated to sending us a message when you quit with a lack of attention.
From this point forward, none of us will be contacting you, looking at your blog, or acknowledging any of your petty, manipulative behavior.
You feel uncomfortable? You posted the private information of someone involved with an organization you’ve been attacking regularly. You know who else does that? People who want to bomb abortion clinics and harass the employees who work there.
All of us have felt uncomfortable with your single-man crusade to be a thorn in our side, been uncomfortable at your blatant disregard for privacy in exchange for looking somehow superior, and felt attacked by your weird obsession with trying to belittle us. Yet we haven’t played victim, because until your boy-who-cried-wolf claims of feeling “uncomfortable,” you weren’t worth the effort.
From this point forward, there will be no further contact with you. I hope in the mean time that you grow up and find something more valuable to do with your life that bully and then play the victim.”
I am…… So done. Because I’m not playing the victim. It’s not okay for him to be on my blog 40 times in 48 hours. There’s no excuse for that.
who wants to defend the Dashcon/Emoti-con staff now? who wants to step up and defend people who drive others to panic?? people who equate bombing abortion clinics with posting the IP of someone who literally sits on another person’s blog just waiting to see what else they’ve written about their precious convention?
fucking assholes. i dont even know what to say about this. these people are despicable and they’re completely spinning the situation to suit their needs. apparently they can’t be presented with facts or even confronted or else they’ll call it bullying. god!!! everything about Emoti-con’s response is ridiculous and childish. if anyone’s playing the victim here, it’s you, Emoti-con/Dashcon. you guys feel attacked when people simply point out facts about your previous convention or ask any kind of legit question. fuck you. you’re a bunch of teenagers and a 30-something trying to cover your debt. unfortunately for you, the internet doesnt forget, so you can keep trying, but people are going to continue bringing up Dashcon because you havent made yourselves accountable. you barely apologized. no one has seen any of their money.
good luck, assholes.
Seeing your friend’s art on your dash like
So Nik Harkins, the official Sponsorship Coordinator/Vendor Coordinator for Emoti-Con 2015 (Dashcon 2.0) and who was involved at Dashcon 2014 just made a comment on the Emoti-Con Facebook Page and man, is it an absolute clusterfuck of condescention, victim-blaming and absolute unprofessionalism.
This is the same Nik Harkins that
- posted an open letter regarding the fact that Emoti-Con staff triggered a panic attack by stalking people posting in the tag (and then justified his temper tantrum by saying that this is why he’s a vendor coordinator and not PR)
- claimed that Welcome to Night Vale basically tweeted “fuck you” to SDCC, and that they are full of themselves
- claimed that Dashcon was not at fault, that Welcome to Night Vale walked from Dashcon and that they created a slanderous post afterwards
- claimed that Welcome to Night Vale were unprofessional, lied about their experiences and failed their fans
- said that Welcome to Night Vale should’ve made the smarter executive choice and performed even without payment
- said that Welcome to Night Vale, Gingerhaze and Baker Street Babes (who were all treated abysmally by Dashcon) need to actually apologize for misinforming their followers
- Defends his continued mistreatment of guests as "I afford professionalism to those who deserve it. I know a good deal about handling myself professionally"
Because this is the sort of behaviour that Emoti-Con finds acceptable from its staff.
But wait. There’s more!
continuing to see posts like this both here and on tumblr makes me really sad, because the attention is always on Megg and Cain and not on the majority of other people who are also working on Emoti-Con Indy
The majority of the people working on Emoti-Con Indy are college students with no convention experience.
Their general approach seems to be to post unoriginal ballpit jokes, condescending pretenses at good faith and evasive pseudo-informative answers on the official blog, and act like drama queens on their personal blogs (which were linked in their ‘official biographies’ on the Emoti-Con Tumblr).
All the rest of us staff are working really hard and bringing a lot to the table to make this convention a success, and every single time someone angry, like you, comes forward and asks us about DashCon, it’s hugely frustrating.
So far, Emoti-Con’s staff have stalked people in the tags into having a panic attack, deleted comments on Facebook and Tumblr, are publically badmouthing previous convention guests, and compared people asking questions to actual fucking terrorists.
If by “bringing a lot to the table” means acting like a bunch of amateurs then yes, they’re all doing swimmingly.
Now let me explain to you a thing about businesses.
… he actually just unironically used let me explain you a thing.
Just because someone owns more than one business, does not mean those businesses are affiliated, and does not mean either business can blab about the other.
One of your admins recently filed for bankruptcy, her first convention was left thousands of dollars in debt and she’s currently offering to write (almost) anything for $0.01/word.
Emoti-Con is being run by people who
- changed their rules halfway through to ensure that attendees wouldn’t be able to seek reimbursement for the failed Welcome To Night Vale panel (where Welcome to Night Vale understandably walked after Dashcon failed to cover their transportation and performance fees as agreed upon)
- is yet to reply to the charity Random Acts after they denied any involvement with Dashcon and asked for an account of all money raised (which they haven’t yet received)
- treated volunteers so badly (including two who flew all the way from Australia) that they left early for mental health reasons (trigger warning for panic attack)
- put exhibiting artists in a position where they almost became federal criminals
- breached contract with exhibiting artists regarding security (many of which were left hundreds of dollars out of pocket)
- ran an IndieGoGo campaign in 2013 that promised donors a range of prizes - none of these were sent out, and some were actually used as prizes at the convention itself (along with hotel mints)
- changed the descriptions for panels without panelists consent
- may have potentially stolen art to use in their banner
- encouraged underage attendees to throw physical money into a bag being passed around the room
- did a ‘puff piece’ explanation interview that blamed everyone but themselves for what happened
For real, you can cry about affiliation all you want but people are justified in wanted reassurances that they won’t be treated as badly at Emoti-Con as people were treated at Dashcon.
In the mean time, it’s not going to get me or anyone else anywhere to be constantly asking over and over and over questions of people that cannot answer them.
Just shut up, stop asking genuine questions and posting legitimate questions, and give them all your money. Gosh.
That’s why we directed people to Megg’s blog, where she posted personally about it
The post they’re referring to is a complete joke, and gives about as much useful information as the official statement or explanation interview (the former being a deliberately disingenuous pseudo-apology, the latter being a bland PR puff piece designed to absolve the admin of all responsibility).
please for the love of god stop asking the rest of the staff who don’t have your answers and are working hard on putting together a different and better event
Emoti-Con was offering early tickets until 20th September, but extended it to “a limited time only” because no-one bought any. They’re spruiking a fandom ‘scare house’ despite Emoti-Con’s staff harassing people in the tags into having panic attacks.
Emoti-Con are claiming that there is no way that potential volunteers (if “chosen”) will have their credit details used for things that they haven’t consented to and that “we do not want to burden our volunteers and panelists with debt” despite the fact that Emoti-Con admins did that exact thing to volunteers who had flown all the way from Australia to work.
They’re using people in Emoti-Con advertising even though they explicitly were asked not to.
… a different and better event